LOL -- but seriously, I heard or read once that excess protein is simply excreted out. I also read, much more often, that excess protein becomes fat (and I thought only excess carbs can become fat).
So what, exactly, is excreted in the form of feces? (If you must quip -- please make it funny, at least.) I know most of it is intestinal bacteria, but what exactly is the "waste"?? Okay, fiber, and make that grit of sand which wasn't washed off from your lettuce...but what else?
I ask 'cause it seems awfully wasteful if excess protein is what's excreted...at the same time, I guess that's better than the body building more fat cells to imprision it! Such a chore getting all three things -- training, diet, and rest -- right at the same time regularly over the long-haul....
> LOL -- but seriously, I heard or read once that excess protein is > simply excreted out. I also read, much more often, that excess protein > becomes fat (and I thought only excess carbs can become fat).
> So what, exactly, is excreted in the form of feces? (If you must quip > -- please make it funny, at least.) I know most of it is intestinal > bacteria, but what exactly is the "waste"?? Okay, fiber, and make that > grit of sand which wasn't washed off from your lettuce...but what else?
> I ask 'cause it seems awfully wasteful if excess protein is what's > excreted...at the same time, I guess that's better than the body > building more fat cells to imprision it! Such a chore getting all > three things -- training, diet, and rest -- right at the same time > regularly over the long-haul....
Here is my understanding... and please correct me if I am wrong...
Any extra calories, regardless from where, are stored as fat. Protein is the most difficult for the body to digest, so even if you consume more than you need, it has a sort of thermogenic effect in that it takes more calories to digest. Still, if you consume more calories than the body needs, it will be stored as fat.
The body can synthesize it's own fat and simple carbs for energy uses, but it cannot synthesize it's own amino acids (the building blocks of muscle) so the only source of that is protein.
In article <1158946082.407848.212...@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>, "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreig...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> LOL -- but seriously, I heard or read once that excess protein is > simply excreted out. I also read, much more often, that excess protein > becomes fat (and I thought only excess carbs can become fat).
> So what, exactly, is excreted in the form of feces? (If you must quip > -- please make it funny, at least.) I know most of it is intestinal > bacteria, but what exactly is the "waste"?? Okay, fiber, and make that > grit of sand which wasn't washed off from your lettuce...but what else?
> I ask 'cause it seems awfully wasteful if excess protein is what's > excreted...at the same time, I guess that's better than the body > building more fat cells to imprision it! Such a chore getting all > three things -- training, diet, and rest -- right at the same time > regularly over the long-haul....
If your sweat smells like ammonia, you are probably over-doing it.
I'm not kidding...... -- Peace! Om
"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson
> > LOL -- but seriously, I heard or read once that excess protein is > > simply excreted out. I also read, much more often, that excess protein > > becomes fat (and I thought only excess carbs can become fat).
> > So what, exactly, is excreted in the form of feces? (If you must quip > > -- please make it funny, at least.) I know most of it is intestinal > > bacteria, but what exactly is the "waste"?? Okay, fiber, and make that > > grit of sand which wasn't washed off from your lettuce...but what else?
> > I ask 'cause it seems awfully wasteful if excess protein is what's > > excreted...at the same time, I guess that's better than the body > > building more fat cells to imprision it! Such a chore getting all > > three things -- training, diet, and rest -- right at the same time > > regularly over the long-haul....
> Here is my understanding... and please correct me if I am wrong...
> Any extra calories, regardless from where, are stored as fat. Protein is > the most difficult for the body to digest, so even if you consume more than > you need, it has a sort of thermogenic effect in that it takes more calories > to digest. Still, if you consume more calories than the body needs, it will > be stored as fat.
> The body can synthesize it's own fat and simple carbs for energy uses, but > it cannot synthesize it's own amino acids (the building blocks of muscle) so > the only source of that is protein.
What's the conventional wisdom on protein consumption on "off" days? I understand it's most effective to take protein supplement right before or after working out. Does this mean that one shouldn't or doesn't need to on days that they aren't working out?
> What's the conventional wisdom on protein consumption on "off" days? I > understand it's most effective to take protein supplement right before > or after working out. Does this mean that one shouldn't or doesn't > need to on days that they aren't working out?
Growth is an ongoing process. Sometimes i even eat more on my off days, since the intense workouts sometimes supress the appetite a bit...
> In article <1158946082.407848.212...@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>, > "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreig...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > LOL -- but seriously, I heard or read once that excess protein is > > simply excreted out. I also read, much more often, that excess protein > > becomes fat (and I thought only excess carbs can become fat).
> > So what, exactly, is excreted in the form of feces? (If you must quip > > -- please make it funny, at least.) I know most of it is intestinal > > bacteria, but what exactly is the "waste"?? Okay, fiber, and make that > > grit of sand which wasn't washed off from your lettuce...but what else?
> > I ask 'cause it seems awfully wasteful if excess protein is what's > > excreted...at the same time, I guess that's better than the body > > building more fat cells to imprision it! Such a chore getting all > > three things -- training, diet, and rest -- right at the same time > > regularly over the long-haul....
> If your sweat smells like ammonia, you are probably over-doing it.
> I'm not kidding...... > --
Hey Om, overdoing the protein intake if your sweat smells like ammonia? Mine does and I wondered why. I need to look into my diet then which is lean chicken mostly, and vegetables or salad. Are there any specific foodstuffs that are known to cause this situation?
> > > LOL -- but seriously, I heard or read once that excess protein is > > > simply excreted out. I also read, much more often, that excess protein > > > becomes fat (and I thought only excess carbs can become fat).
> > > So what, exactly, is excreted in the form of feces? (If you must quip > > > -- please make it funny, at least.) I know most of it is intestinal > > > bacteria, but what exactly is the "waste"?? Okay, fiber, and make that > > > grit of sand which wasn't washed off from your lettuce...but what else?
> > > I ask 'cause it seems awfully wasteful if excess protein is what's > > > excreted...at the same time, I guess that's better than the body > > > building more fat cells to imprision it! Such a chore getting all > > > three things -- training, diet, and rest -- right at the same time > > > regularly over the long-haul....
> > If your sweat smells like ammonia, you are probably over-doing it.
> > I'm not kidding...... > > --
> Hey Om, overdoing the protein intake if your sweat smells like ammonia? Mine > does and I wondered why. > I need to look into my diet then which is lean chicken mostly, and > vegetables or salad. > Are there any specific foodstuffs that are known to cause this situation?
Just watch the amounts. :-)
Wasted protein is wasted money.......
And I know I sure as hell cannot afford it! -- Peace! Om
"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson
> Hey Om, overdoing the protein intake if your sweat smells like ammonia? Mine > does and I wondered why. > I need to look into my diet then which is lean chicken mostly, and > vegetables or salad. > Are there any specific foodstuffs that are known to cause this situation?
The ammonia smell is a noted characteristic of the Atkins diet. Eat Protein and fat but little or no carbohydrate. Atkins preached only having a small amount of carbohydrate so that the ammonia - as I understand it caused by breakdown of stored fat, but I will go back to my chemistry and biology books to check this - is still passed out of the body.
Now that I have just re-read this I think I should check my facts which I can't do right now. I may post an update / correction tomorrow. You may find something related to this at www.fita2z.com
"wiseway.info" <analyt...@wiseway.info> wrote: > mike wrote:
> > Hey Om, overdoing the protein intake if your sweat smells like ammonia? Mine > > does and I wondered why. > > I need to look into my diet then which is lean chicken mostly, and > > vegetables or salad. > > Are there any specific foodstuffs that are known to cause this situation?
> The ammonia smell is a noted characteristic of the Atkins diet. Eat > Protein and fat but little or no carbohydrate. Atkins preached only > having a small amount of carbohydrate so that the ammonia - as I > understand it caused by breakdown of stored fat, but I will go back to > my chemistry and biology books to check this - is still passed out of > the body.
> Now that I have just re-read this I think I should check my facts which > I can't do right now. I may post an update / correction tomorrow. You > may find something related to this at www.fita2z.com
As far as I know, protein (and ammonia) are nitrogen based...
Fat isn't. ;-)
Please correct me if I am mistaken, but I don't think that ketones are responsible for ammonia smelling sweat? -- Peace! Om
"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson
> LOL -- but seriously, I heard or read once that excess protein is > simply excreted out. I also read, much more often, that excess protein > becomes fat (and I thought only excess carbs can become fat).
> So what, exactly, is excreted in the form of feces? (If you must quip > -- please make it funny, at least.) I know most of it is intestinal > bacteria, but what exactly is the "waste"?? Okay, fiber, and make that > grit of sand which wasn't washed off from your lettuce...but what else?
> I ask 'cause it seems awfully wasteful if excess protein is what's > excreted...at the same time, I guess that's better than the body > building more fat cells to imprision it! Such a chore getting all > three things -- training, diet, and rest -- right at the same time > regularly over the long-haul....
The body can't store excess protein as protein so it does a combination of two things - breaks it down in the liver and pees it out (not feces, but pee) and some it breaks down and stores as fat. There is certainly no benefit to excess protein.
NYC XYZ wrote: > I heard or read once that excess protein is simply excreted out. > I also read, much more often, that excess protein becomes fat > (and I thought only excess carbs can become fat). > So what, exactly, is excreted in the form of feces?
I believe that both answers are correct, depending on the context.
Dietary protein is broken down into an amino acid. The most interesting uses of amino acid are for building muscle and for the production of hormones and other protein compounds.
But for the most part, the body cannot store amino acid. So any amino acid that cannot be used immediately is converted into two compounds: one of which is excreted in urine (not feces); and the other of which is used for the production of energy, either immediately or stored as "fat" (triglycerides). I believe that for dietary protein, the "nutritional calorie" is a measure of only the amount of the original protein that potentially can be used for energy.
So when a body builder asks how much protein to consume to build muscle, the answer is: only as much as the body can use at the time, because the excess amino acid is not stored in the body. There are medical risks to consuming a lot more protein (amino acid) than needed.
But when a calorie counter asks what happens to the dietary protein calories that are not used for protein production in the body, the answer is: it goes to energy (and potentially stored as "fat"), because that is what the "nutritional calorie" of dietary protein measures in the first place, I believe.
monty1...@lycos.com wrote: > "Atkins preached only having a small amount of carbohydrate so that the > ammonia - as I understand it caused by breakdown of stored fat..."
> How is ammonia going to come from fatty acids?
Exactly.
Well, Atkins preached.
He should've Googled 'ketosis' and 'ketones'.
Just like any halfwitted fucktard on this NG should be doing instead of asking the same dumbass questions that have been answered ad nausem for nearly 20 years.
Jeez.
Getta clue.
And no, there is no excuse for not googling in the first place. Unless you're totally lame.
"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <ompome...@removespam.gmail.com> wrote
> willbr...@comcast.net (Will Brink) wrote: >> OmManiPadmeOmelet <ompome...@removespam.gmail.com> wrote: >> > And I know I sure as hell cannot afford it!
>> 'Cause you're too busy buying guns you freak.
> Pretty much... <G>
> I won't be buying any more now. I have what I want. > The Mossy was the last (planned) purchase.
> Now all I have to do is "feed" them from time to time......
With my driver's license, credit card, and concealed weapons permit in my wallet, I can walk into any gun shop in Nevada and, within a few minutes, walk out with any (non-fully automatic) firearm.
I leave the credit cards at home now when I go into gun shops. My last "planned" purchase was long ago. I've had LOTS of impulse purchases since. Love them all, but, I try to prevent them now.
Gout is when the kidneys don't clear out the uric acid from purine digestion.
The uric acid goes to your joints and basically creates a form of arthritis.
The most concentrated purine is found in little fishes, sweatbreads (internal organs), shellfish, brewer's years and caffeine. (yes, caffeine is a purine, but it may hasten excretion of uric acid instead - still debated)
Some extreme cases will have pimples of uric acid on their ear lobes and face and when those pimples (tophi) pop, they excrete (white chalky) uric acid. Worse, still, you can get deposits of uric acid in your internal organs.
>> LOL -- but seriously, I heard or read once that excess protein is >> simply excreted out. I also read, much more often, that excess protein >> becomes fat (and I thought only excess carbs can become fat).
>> So what, exactly, is excreted in the form of feces? (If you must quip >> -- please make it funny, at least.) I know most of it is intestinal >> bacteria, but what exactly is the "waste"?? Okay, fiber, and make that >> grit of sand which wasn't washed off from your lettuce...but what else?
>> I ask 'cause it seems awfully wasteful if excess protein is what's >> excreted...at the same time, I guess that's better than the body >> building more fat cells to imprision it! Such a chore getting all >> three things -- training, diet, and rest -- right at the same time >> regularly over the long-haul....
>The body can't store excess protein as protein so it does a combination of >two things - breaks it down in the liver and pees it out (not feces, but >pee) and some it breaks down and stores as fat. There is certainly no >benefit to excess protein.
Protein breaks down into constituent amino acids.
It's the amino acids that are metabolized in the liver.
You only pee out the urea.
The remaining carbon skeleton can be converted to either glycogen or fatty acids, depending on the amino acid that was deaminated.
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