The article is on the Russia Today web site but the study (link is at
end of article) is authored mostly by scientists from American
universities and James Hansen from the Goddard Inst. For Sapce Studies
in NY.
More evidence that economics is pathological. I haven't noticed
anyone linking empirical findings with well-reasoned theory from the
likes of Jurgen Habermas that does describe much systemic human
activity as pathological.
On 21 Nov, 18:19, ornamentalmind <ornamentalm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The article is on the Russia Today web site but the study (link is at
> end of article) is authored mostly by scientists from American
> universities and James Hansen from the Goddard Inst. For Sapce Studies
> in NY.
I was surprised to find that Webster's unabridged includes the word
pollyanna:
: one having a disposition or nature characterized by irrepressible
optimism and a tendency to find good in everything : an overly and
often blindly optimistic person : an irritatingly cheerful person <the
facts on inflation are sugarcoated by the Pollyannas -- Atlantic> <not
such a Pollyanna as to deny the probability or recessions -- Dun's
Review>
Even though you have used this word about me in the past, Orn, I will
give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you were not
applying the term to anyone in the group and that you have it in you
to be more respectful. We are, after all, entering the holiday
season. Peace on earth good will toward men and all that. I hope
that doesn't cross the line into blindly optimistic or irritatingly
cheerful for you.
The notion of cultural pathologies or human pathologies on a global
scale is, I think, of interest, if viewed from the perspective that
there is more to move into for humanity. Believing that humanity is
doomed to their pathologies might be considered the anti-pollyanna,
but of course, in this line of thinking, there must always be one.
Looking at the scope of human evolution, there have been wonderous
developments. It is also a wonder that some things stay the same such
as is considered criminal (especially at the level of politics) But I
wonder if it isn't the singular pathological impulses that hold back
the group. Individuals or smaller groups committing crimes on each
other or the greater whole can delay or retard evolution. Economics,
Law, Political Systems all allow us to live together as a group and
work collectively. We learn as we go what works and what does not,
how to best respect each other, and how to maximize productivity and
comfort of the greater whole.
On Nov 21, 1:19 pm, ornamentalmind <ornamentalm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The article is on the Russia Today web site but the study (link is at
> end of article) is authored mostly by scientists from American
> universities and James Hansen from the Goddard Inst. For Sapce Studies
> in NY.
“Even though you have used this word about me in the past, Orn, I
will
give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you were not
applying the term to anyone in the group and that you have it in you
to be more respectful. We are, after all, entering the holiday
season. Peace on earth good will toward men and all that. I hope
that doesn't cross the line into blindly optimistic or irritatingly
cheerful for you.” – Molly
Since this is directed towards me personally, I will respond.
Although, I’m sure to do so is ill advised.
My intention was to be respectful and give a fair warning to those who
would find the rather hyperbolic news article to be offensive to just
not read it. It is obvious that there are those who would find it
troubling. The scientific study itself is less exaggerated and even
presents some suggestions. I would have posted it but wasn’t sure
everyone had pdf file capabilities.
As to a theologically based and artificially imposed cyclical attitude
of ‘good will’, yes, I do find such to be evangelical, false and an
offense. This is one reason there used to be the separation of church
and state here in the US. Sadly, such days appear to be almost over.
While I defend your right to say as you wish, in no way do I have to
like thinly veiled defensive attacks nor projected and imposing
attitudes. Hopefully you hold the same respect for freedom as I.
On Nov 22, 5:30 am, Molly Brogan <mbro...@mollybroganenterprises.com>
wrote:
> I was surprised to find that Webster's unabridged includes the word
> pollyanna:
> : one having a disposition or nature characterized by irrepressible
> optimism and a tendency to find good in everything : an overly and
> often blindly optimistic person : an irritatingly cheerful person <the
> facts on inflation are sugarcoated by the Pollyannas -- Atlantic> <not
> such a Pollyanna as to deny the probability or recessions -- Dun's
> Review>
> Even though you have used this word about me in the past, Orn, I will
> give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you were not
> applying the term to anyone in the group and that you have it in you
> to be more respectful. We are, after all, entering the holiday
> season. Peace on earth good will toward men and all that. I hope
> that doesn't cross the line into blindly optimistic or irritatingly
> cheerful for you.
> The notion of cultural pathologies or human pathologies on a global
> scale is, I think, of interest, if viewed from the perspective that
> there is more to move into for humanity. Believing that humanity is
> doomed to their pathologies might be considered the anti-pollyanna,
> but of course, in this line of thinking, there must always be one.
> Looking at the scope of human evolution, there have been wonderous
> developments. It is also a wonder that some things stay the same such
> as is considered criminal (especially at the level of politics) But I
> wonder if it isn't the singular pathological impulses that hold back
> the group. Individuals or smaller groups committing crimes on each
> other or the greater whole can delay or retard evolution. Economics,
> Law, Political Systems all allow us to live together as a group and
> work collectively. We learn as we go what works and what does not,
> how to best respect each other, and how to maximize productivity and
> comfort of the greater whole.
> On Nov 21, 1:19 pm, ornamentalmind <ornamentalm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > The article is on the Russia Today web site but the study (link is at
> > end of article) is authored mostly by scientists from American
> > universities and James Hansen from the Goddard Inst. For Sapce Studies
> > in NY.
It's pollyannism vs pessimism. This is not the first ever calling of
the cards concerning the demise of humanity on planet earth, whether
attributed to mans inability to maintain a healthy sustainable
environment, some annihilating warfare weaponry or some heavenly
imposed punishment, it is another dooms day prediction. As for the
Grow Gills link, the idea that we may all be inundated with water from
rising sea level seems plausible and reminds me of the Kevin Costner
movie "water world", which means the flooding may not really mean the
end but only the beginning of a new way of living on huge flotillas.
I may or may not be around in 30 years anyway to see if it all
transpires, however if I happen to make it I'll be old enough to say I
had a long enough life and just feel sorrow for those who wont be able
to live out their lives.
I'm going to stop driving, flying and heating my home immediately!
On Nov 21, 12:19 pm, ornamentalmind <ornamentalm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The article is on the Russia Today web site but the study (link is at
> end of article) is authored mostly by scientists from American
> universities and James Hansen from the Goddard Inst. For Sapce Studies
> in NY.
> It's pollyannism vs pessimism. This is not the first ever calling of
> the cards concerning the demise of humanity on planet earth, whether
> attributed to mans inability to maintain a healthy sustainable
> environment, some annihilating warfare weaponry or some heavenly
> imposed punishment, it is another dooms day prediction. As for the
> Grow Gills link, the idea that we may all be inundated with water from
> rising sea level seems plausible and reminds me of the Kevin Costner
> movie "water world", which means the flooding may not really mean the
> end but only the beginning of a new way of living on huge flotillas.
> I may or may not be around in 30 years anyway to see if it all
> transpires, however if I happen to make it I'll be old enough to say I
> had a long enough life and just feel sorrow for those who wont be able
> to live out their lives.
> I'm going to stop driving, flying and heating my home immediately!
> On Nov 21, 12:19 pm, ornamentalmind <ornamentalm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > The article is on the Russia Today web site but the study (link is at
> > end of article) is authored mostly by scientists from American
> > universities and James Hansen from the Goddard Inst. For Sapce Studies
> > in NY.
"...I may or may not be around in 30 years anyway to see if it all
transpires, however if I happen to make it I'll be old enough to say
I
had a long enough life and just feel sorrow for those who wont be
able
to live out their lives. ..." - SD
Now, IF only we could grow gills in that length of time! :)
On Nov 23, 6:15 am, Slip Disc <bug...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It's pollyannism vs pessimism. This is not the first ever calling of
> the cards concerning the demise of humanity on planet earth, whether
> attributed to mans inability to maintain a healthy sustainable
> environment, some annihilating warfare weaponry or some heavenly
> imposed punishment, it is another dooms day prediction. As for the
> Grow Gills link, the idea that we may all be inundated with water from
> rising sea level seems plausible and reminds me of the Kevin Costner
> movie "water world", which means the flooding may not really mean the
> end but only the beginning of a new way of living on huge flotillas.
> I may or may not be around in 30 years anyway to see if it all
> transpires, however if I happen to make it I'll be old enough to say I
> had a long enough life and just feel sorrow for those who wont be able
> to live out their lives.
> I'm going to stop driving, flying and heating my home immediately!
> On Nov 21, 12:19 pm, ornamentalmind <ornamentalm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > The article is on the Russia Today web site but the study (link is at
> > end of article) is authored mostly by scientists from American
> > universities and James Hansen from the Goddard Inst. For Sapce Studies
> > in NY.
"I'm going to stop driving, flying and heating my home immediately!" -
SD
I've been using public transit for quite a while now. And, when I
awake in the morning, it is in the 40s (F) inside. I wear coats and
heat very little. I have only flown twice in a few years and that was
for medical reasons. Of course, not all hold to this level of
serverity
On Nov 23, 6:15 am, Slip Disc <bug...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It's pollyannism vs pessimism. This is not the first ever calling of
> the cards concerning the demise of humanity on planet earth, whether
> attributed to mans inability to maintain a healthy sustainable
> environment, some annihilating warfare weaponry or some heavenly
> imposed punishment, it is another dooms day prediction. As for the
> Grow Gills link, the idea that we may all be inundated with water from
> rising sea level seems plausible and reminds me of the Kevin Costner
> movie "water world", which means the flooding may not really mean the
> end but only the beginning of a new way of living on huge flotillas.
> I may or may not be around in 30 years anyway to see if it all
> transpires, however if I happen to make it I'll be old enough to say I
> had a long enough life and just feel sorrow for those who wont be able
> to live out their lives.
> I'm going to stop driving, flying and heating my home immediately!
> On Nov 21, 12:19 pm, ornamentalmind <ornamentalm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > The article is on the Russia Today web site but the study (link is at
> > end of article) is authored mostly by scientists from American
> > universities and James Hansen from the Goddard Inst. For Sapce Studies
> > in NY.
> "...I may or may not be around in 30 years anyway to see if it all
> transpires, however if I happen to make it I'll be old enough to say
> I
> had a long enough life and just feel sorrow for those who wont be
> able
> to live out their lives. ..." - SD
> Now, IF only we could grow gills in that length of time! :)
> On Nov 23, 6:15 am, Slip Disc <bug...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > It's pollyannism vs pessimism. This is not the first ever calling of
> > the cards concerning the demise of humanity on planet earth, whether
> > attributed to mans inability to maintain a healthy sustainable
> > environment, some annihilating warfare weaponry or some heavenly
> > imposed punishment, it is another dooms day prediction. As for the
> > Grow Gills link, the idea that we may all be inundated with water from
> > rising sea level seems plausible and reminds me of the Kevin Costner
> > movie "water world", which means the flooding may not really mean the
> > end but only the beginning of a new way of living on huge flotillas.
> > I may or may not be around in 30 years anyway to see if it all
> > transpires, however if I happen to make it I'll be old enough to say I
> > had a long enough life and just feel sorrow for those who wont be able
> > to live out their lives.
> > I'm going to stop driving, flying and heating my home immediately!
> > On Nov 21, 12:19 pm, ornamentalmind <ornamentalm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > The article is on the Russia Today web site but the study (link is at
> > > end of article) is authored mostly by scientists from American
> > > universities and James Hansen from the Goddard Inst. For Sapce Studies
> > > in NY.
> "I'm going to stop driving, flying and heating my home immediately!" -
> SD
> I've been using public transit for quite a while now. And, when I
> awake in the morning, it is in the 40s (F) inside. I wear coats and
> heat very little. I have only flown twice in a few years and that was
> for medical reasons. Of course, not all hold to this level of
> serverity
> On Nov 23, 6:15 am, Slip Disc <bug...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > It's pollyannism vs pessimism. This is not the first ever calling of
> > the cards concerning the demise of humanity on planet earth, whether
> > attributed to mans inability to maintain a healthy sustainable
> > environment, some annihilating warfare weaponry or some heavenly
> > imposed punishment, it is another dooms day prediction. As for the
> > Grow Gills link, the idea that we may all be inundated with water from
> > rising sea level seems plausible and reminds me of the Kevin Costner
> > movie "water world", which means the flooding may not really mean the
> > end but only the beginning of a new way of living on huge flotillas.
> > I may or may not be around in 30 years anyway to see if it all
> > transpires, however if I happen to make it I'll be old enough to say I
> > had a long enough life and just feel sorrow for those who wont be able
> > to live out their lives.
> > I'm going to stop driving, flying and heating my home immediately!
> > On Nov 21, 12:19 pm, ornamentalmind <ornamentalm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > The article is on the Russia Today web site but the study (link is at
> > > end of article) is authored mostly by scientists from American
> > > universities and James Hansen from the Goddard Inst. For Sapce Studies
> > > in NY.
